Can you provide more information about photos of the girls being in bad shape? Daytime would be sweaty but what about at night when the temperature would be down in the 50-60s? Sorry Chris, having re-read what you said at the beginning of your article and having stared at the photo a for a bit longer, I can definitely see the corner of a kind of pitched, thatched roof of a what looks like a man-made hut. If you are in the middle of the jungle, lost, and desperately trying to find service, why waste your battery by logging into your phone. In the end, maybe this photo has more information that was originally thought. Like so many other people I really, really wish we could find the answers to this mystery. All items were in one place at this point, and together the elements and biology dispersed them and kept some for the jungle. Constance Marten seen leaving court after appearing before magistrates charged with manslaughter of baby, Constance Marten and Mark Gordon blow each other a kiss in dock before court hears dead baby was found in bag in shed, Mum identified after dead baby is found on Canford Heath, Independent Press Standards Organisation (IPSO). He has a weapon like o jr t in his hands. Kris has somewhat prominent cheeks and a full lower lip. The backpack and all the contents are so confusing. But dogs in Latin America tend to roam around and go wherever they want theyre very free here. Then I downloaded the photo and opened it up in my graphics editor. So, these were all indigenous locals influenced by another villager that had traveled abroad. Its a sect of foreign Christians that set up in the area and murdered 6 people FROM one of the local tribes. It doesnt matter. Links that require download are high-risk by their very nature, so please consider uploading your media to a website like imgur.com or a similar alternative. When she finally reached her friend, it was basically too late, or very close to it. See the State Department's travel website for the Worldwide Caution and Travel Advisories. Los expertos en conductas humanas (psiclogos, antroplogos, etc. I suspect some are aware of these things but want to cover it up. Not lurking or following the girls or walking beside them; nothing. If Kris were injured and they couldnt use the phone, then why didnt Lisanne go get help? I cant imagine the rednecks in Alto Romero or the lads from Calderas having the wit to bother with it. Wonder if this case has any similarities? The oddest thing about this photo is the look on her face which looks very distorted. That is the key. . There are over 30 fingerprints on the blue backpack which belongs to one of the girls, but they dont want to investigate the fingerprints. Cheers. These were of seemingly random objects, like a stick with plastic sticking to it, as well as scenes of foliage, canyons, anda bridge. Maybe the girls did perish deep in the jungle, but that doesnt rule out somebody causing them to get lost. To begin with his suggests either they walked into dense dark forest so there was no foto ops or it stopped being fun and started to become serious so somewhere not far beyond that stream did they met a fateful fork in the path which took them towards oblivion. The reason being, many people assume that shes leaning over and looking down at the rock before her. I do get very creepy and bad vibes from this photo though. Someone watched them swimming. Well be mapping the trails with a GPS device, searching for the location of the night photos and capturing aerial footage of the rivers in the region. Cave photo: Some people claim that maybe photo #509 could have been corrupted as some sort of faulty camera configuration, but that wouldnt make sense even corrupted files retain some data and bits of the original file itself. This is highly unusual. The left-side of her head is not hair or her hand, but just the foliage in the background. However, the perpetrators likely wanted the authorities to believe they were taken on the pianista trail. They earn money through drug trafficking, often theft and sometimes by extorting businesses. She does look slightly uneasy but I just think it was a photo she wasnt expecting. I become very confused and not starting from Go and not knowing what is fact and what is anecdotal I just do not know. They had more than enough evidence and leads to solve the case but they ignored so much of the evidence. Someone called her so she turning to look at them. They maintained a great deal of secrecy and privacy and never officially published any information. Lastly, I totally see animal pelts inside the structure. But she is definitely on a well-worn path. I havent spotted the finger with the silver ring in photo IMG_0580 thats the name of the hair photo, and in the night photos you found out that there are not one but two individuals that are of native origin nonetheless, which specific photos led you to that conclusion? I believe that by the time this photo was taken, the situation has gone sideways. I agree with you. It is clear they contributed much to this by their actions. Theyve been promised much if they deliver Feliciano hard evidence of the girls death. Maybe its just pareidolia, but i think its a manmade object. I wanted to her a benefit of the doubt before I came across this article, yes she did mention red and black feathers on a piece of wood and turquoise pendant and a white mask. Seems like no one has taken off in the direction of the dog and what it could have offered us. Who said they didnt? Plus, corruption in Panamas government is rampant. It needs to be stressed that while the AI upsampled image looks impressive, it cannot and does not recover any lost information. The red is the sunlight shining through the dead curled leaves. Are you familiar with the Koude Kaas blogs about this case? However having just seen a darkened and reddened photo (the one of the back of Kriss strawberry blonde hair) you can see, in the top left, a door frame at the bottom of which is a dark floor. Further to my earlier reply of a few minutes ago, I think the dying from exposure angle is only possible if we consider that either the girls abandoned the rucksack for some reason or it was discovered after their passing. Over 60% of the missing person cases involving foreigners in the Cancun area have not been solved according to a new report. According to Wisconsin Sen. Tammy Baldwin's office, the U.S. Coast Guard provided Panamanian authorities with technical modeling to support the search for the aircraft. The blood on her leg is, again, a shadow. I would like to pick your brains on your thoughts about the night photos: 1. of SOS made with a white cloth, 2. the mirror on rock 3. Like the taxidriver and the two local boys. German Tourist Sexually Assaulted After Being Lost In Panama's Jungles Very interesting and completely changed my mind. Or maybe the girls were using the flash as light in the dark. Around 2 oclock. But even when a phone is locked after thee attempts the screen says emergency calls only. Personally, I believe that number one mentioned above is the most likely reason. Panamas government is stuck in a desperate position. They had plans to meet men there as their boyfriends.Check men they used to Date or seen. Hi Joseph, Thanks for your comment. This person was a local cleric. The search efforts moved into the forests where the young women traversed, using on-foot search teams and dog units. The indigenous locals that were committing the sacrifices were influenced by a villager that had recently travelled abroad and returned to his village with extremist Christian views. However, with the high resolution photo, you can more clearly see an organized structure over her head. Alex Humphrey: British tourist missing in Panama - The Guardian Hi Kevin, Occums razor only applies when all facts are available. Slight left and up from the girl. My condolences to the families that experienced this terrible tragedy. This backpack suddenly showed up 2 months after the disappearing. Was someone who's still out there responsible for their deaths? The people in Panama may be afraid to speak, but in Europe, the USA and other Central American countries there are pods of people still working on the case. Tourists Killed in Mexico Is it Safe to Go Now? - Yahoo! After finding the women's phones, authorities now had alead. We have no police report to read which its self may also contain errors. On April 1, 2014, two students from the Netherlands namedLisanneFroon and Kris Kremers went on a hike in Panama with a dog. She also is DEFINITELY looking to the right of the person with the camera (presumably Lisanne). Ive written about many disappearances in Central America: https://imperfectplan.com/disappearances/, Thank you for your comment and please feel free to send me any notes/info that you find. Im very curious Ive heard rumors but have never found verified information. However, calling emergency services doesnt require unlocking the phone, meaning a third party had to be involved. Hi Anna, yes, Im aware of that and thank you for shedding light on that for other readers. A piece of evidence that is irrefutable. No,they werent murdered. The smooth rocks would further back that theory up and the blue trash could have just washed up thereperhaps. They were lost very shortly after arriving at their destination, And then they made a huge mistake by heading due north to find their way back home and they should have been going to the southeast. I see orange spray paint markings on the base of the tree further in the cave to Kriss right. The point-and-shoot camera numbers its files in ascending order, the way most digital cameras do. The photo to me appears that she simply is bending over to get the sun out of her eyes, with her right hand help up to shield the sun. Youre asking why didnt they try to call a friend or family member WHEN THEY COULDNT EVEN GET A SIGNAL TO THE POLICE? Jalisco prosecutors said that three people still seem to be missing after a gang kidnapped a group of tourists at the Pacific resort of Puerto Vallarta earlier this month. Wow, theres a lot going on in this picture. The police, the media attention, the suspicions on him. Probably the culprit or stupid tribe didnt delete anything coz they took pictures on purpose .for example to sell the footage .but allready the police or parents who asked the investigator to delete it .they just simply didnt want to show it to everyone. Yes, thank you, Sue. Not getting any fingerprints looks suspect. Police cant be that stupid, but they hope that we are that stupid. I dont understand the question. I dont buy it that those girls were murdered on the pianista trail. View our online Press Pack. But by April 6, the girls were still missing. If you track the photos she takes her hair down around when she reached the top of the mountain and there are photos taken shortly after this showing her to be fine, in good spirits even. Its a subtle difference, but you can tell the girls smiles are forced in those two photos and are not like the natural happy smiles in the other summit photos. The gangs in Panama are much smaller, usually consisting of between 5 and 30 people. I would like to know the answer to that question also. How many tourists go missing in Australia each year? What I have not found is concrete evidence of where they went. There are vast cultural differences to account for, especially between men and women. Lets try one more time then (and please dont censor this, even if you think that it is not pretty murders rarely are! It does not make sense to me. But during my time spending a year there in 2015 (at the time Id not heard of this case), I had asked around about legends within the jungle and there is in fact legends from tribes who never interacted and are thousands of miles apart which regress of some THING that comes from the sky or trees that is not visible to humans but devours then to the bone. The world may never know what happened to the pair, but speculation still runs wild. Vittorio Caruso. Also there is a consistency to the timing of SOS attempts occurring two times each day +/ a few minutes of the exact same time. Incredible work and interest- level regarding the fate of these human spirits. if both then was the other found in their room? Perhaps it was created by locals in the region. (who knows why). My question is: Who has the ability to manipulate both the cameras internal storage database and the photos? There are plenty of reasonable explanations for why someone would have returned the phones and the backpack. I think the camera dried and started working again and they took pictures at night. Eight tourists from Moscow who. Ive met a few people that have maintained their pet in the same way as we do in the USA. I do not think this case fits the criteria of missing 411. One thing is for sure, I will never travel to Panama. For goodness sake, why do people make things up? Phone records. Hi Abrahm, thank you for your comment. What people are mistaking as blood from her nose and lip is again just a shadow cast from her nostril and lower lip due to the bright sun. Although it might be the sun that gives her face a strange expression. Im always reviewing their case and looking for answers. What kind of twisted f*ck stick makes this kind of comment? Also and I am assuming the phones where in their possession the phones actually did acquire a signal some times but clearly they were not being used so they did not know. Yes the dog was owned by Giovanni and Doris, the owners of Il Pianista Restaurant. Thanks un advance, Lyn Carmichael. Blue is an uncommon color in the rainforest for anything of that size. This may explain why the taxi driver and the two young men died so soon after this incident. Her skin does not look pallid like that of a dead person, it is still pink. However, regarding Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon, Id need to know more about their personality to make this determination. Please read. Just behind her tied hand area. If you follow down from the two red objects, there appears to be something that looks almost like blocks or siding shingles. Looking forward to reading what Bethzaida Pitti comes out with in the book she is co-authoring about the case. In either case, maybe the rucksack was looted then later planted to avoid criminal implication. Also, #509 was deleted after all of the other photos were taken, which means someone went back and deleted it after all of the nighttime photos were taken. He walked the trail with Ks parents, a sweet friendly lovely dog companion with big wise blue eyes, he is prominent in the video made by Ks parents as they walked the trail. Still creepy though. . Too many coincidences. The students' phone records also tragically revealed how they desperately tried to call the police. Image 505 is actually the last image before the night photos. Realizing just how much trouble these two could have been in. I too noticed a nose and lips appearing. The group of 13 youngsters - nine from Coln province and four who were visiting from Panama City - left on Friday morning to go swimming in Gatn Lake. Panama International Travel Information To this day, the disappearance and tragic deaths of Kris and Lisanne remains a harrowing mystery. Maybe the girls were not so clever at tech but they did not leave voice or video memos to document their predicament not goodbye messages for family. How Many Backpackers Go Missing In Australia Every Year At that time, she had her phone. Out of respect for the girls families, I think that comments like this, which I argue turn this case into some sort of entertaining Netflix series, should be removed. The mans face is clearly visible standing behind the rock with the red bags. Or if someone deleted them? Thanks for your consideration with this comment. It is almost as if they are deliberately not to tell anything rather than the much speculated something. I also see something above the brown circle, like a ring of colored balls or ???? This is why the ping data can help because it can show if they were in one place or moving. And hen you have body parts belonging to other persons also found with these girls. If you look closely at the top left part of this photo, you can see that, behind all the criss-crossed twigs and branches, there is a bank of rock. I think Kris and Lisanne were two smart, savvy, levelheaded young women. I dont believe that anything ominous is happening to Kris in this specific photo. The next morning, on April 2nd, a substantial earthquake of magnitude 6.0 hits Panama at 11:13 AM. In all the other pictures she is always got her arms visible, I find this very odd. Theres no telling how many people touched it before the police got it. It actually came as a surprise to us too, but our conclusion had to be that it was an accident. Also last year, 22-year-old Florida man Craig Taylor was found strangled to death on a dirt road in Punta Sam, north of downtown Cancun. Numerous families of disappeared family members have contacted me from my writing and the following is nearly always the sentiment they convey: Local authorities are unreliable, careless, slow to respond, even slower to take action, and they often hinder the familys own investigations. when are you putting a research team together?? I think this picture of Kris is a picture of her circling around looking for where they entered the jungle. Did they each have a camera or only Lisanne? Give me a link. It would be like a marker for anyone to see. Why is no one talking about what appears to be a rock painting or a carving 3-4 feet in front of her? Im not sure if people can really talk with animals but i sure would try and see by calling on a few and get their opinion. Or another type of colorful animal found in the jungle? Ela est apavorada Like you, I also live abroad in a developing country. They showed an incredibly brave independence which was repaid with murder. Their bodies were located after more than 690 hours of searching. The phones showed that just hours after the beginning of their hike, someone dialed 112 and then 911. There IS anecdotal info that Lisannes BF made contact with her at 1400 or so on the 1st April but maybe that was Dutch time not Panama time? The simplest explanations are most likely to be the correct explanations. Hi Chris, Very interested in your website! Other than the dog, the young women went on their hike alone, only asking for directions from a local innkeeper, who advised them to take a taxi back to town. He drowned a short time after. I dont think there was actual foul play. "This is a nightmare with 1,001 demons," says 40-year-old Oscar, who is from Colombia but was living in Bolivia. In the yellow circle could be just a leaf, but not in the red one. Those two women were wearing very little clothing to be entering bush/jungle, there is no way that theyd easily make their way through vegetation, and, as they were clearly intelligent, why would they voluntarily just walk into dense bush? Two years later, a 23 year old American woman is strangled to death while walking the trails. Two Dutch women who went missing in April in Panama are now confirmed dead, according to police and the women's families. The sun is shining right into her eyes so shes squinting and bending down a bit to see her friend, who was probably talking to her while snapping the photo. Update Dec 2, 2021: The full-resolution version of this photo was released in 2021. Theycalled 112, the emergency number for the Netherlands, as well as Panama's emergency number, 911. The dog came back, but the young women didn't. I know that its tempting to a lot of people to make simple conclusions, but its simply not possible to make conclusions without more information. Could the structure built above be some sort of a net or trapping device? If I saw a cow skull hanging in a tree I would get the hell out of there, not pose for a photo. It also contained Lisanne's camera and both of their phones. Disturbing evidence also showed there were a number of failed attempts to unlock Kris' phone - sparking another theory that Kris had died and Lisanne was frantically trying to access her phone to get help. Here are some ideas Ive speculated about. This observation of yours is amazing, the girls could have stumbled upon something and been victims. Im not expecting any major reveals from Pitti shell probably just reinforce her previous statements with more insights. ), podran darnos explicaciones de la posicin del cuerpo, de las manos y la expresin del rostro en la foto 506. Sorry to send so many messages Chris, but as a policewoman I have never liked to give up on a case.. Hello You need to be a Photoshop wizard of substantial level to even attempt this and it would take absolute ages. Hi Tom, I believe you intended to comment above, on @SwordOfGods comment. Progress is slow because at least one of them has a cut tendon. It must have been flowing in the river the police said. THANK GOD SOMEONE IS SEEING WHAT I SEE. Hi Ray, thank you for your comment. While the case has since been declared closed by both the Panamanian and Dutch authorities (who worked on . The camera and photos were tampered with with photos removed and other photos cropped and reduced in size. She realizes she has to try to find the river and decides to leave at dawn. I hope someday the family has answers. I dont know if youve noticed this or not. is. The timeline could have been enhanced with this info. P.S. Unfortunately we dont have a lot of answers to your questions. There is much speculation about the night time fotos made using the Cannon. Dogs here are seen as animals (like a jaguar or puma) that can take care of themselves, theyre seen as being dirty (not permitted on furniture) and are more rugged, like the dog can handle his own problems. From my understanding, the various teams communicate with each other about which parts of the case they are investigating, and collaborate occasionally to share information. You would write something out on notepad or at least be texting everyone in your address book hoping one got through saying Help. There are so many possibilities and we will probably never really know. Therefore, if Kris Kremers is normal and happy, as she appears to be in this photo (and in the other photos in the series), it means that things took a bad turn for them relatively soon after the photo above was taken. Hi Susan, those are all possibilities. Ive found that there are in fact two native type people visible in the night photos. I wonder if the two red objects are flowers? Im impressed how you were able to see the other things in the photo. This could be a very handy skill to our team. In the first half of this year, tourist arrivals fell globally by more than 65 percent, with a near halt since Aprilcompared with 8 percent during the global financial crisis and 17 percent amid the SARS epidemic of 2003, according to ongoing IMF research on tourism in a post-pandemic world. Remains of 2 American women missing after Panama plane crash recovered So many clues in all these pictures. Btw, phones will connect to emergency services with or without sim card being present. OK I see the conspiracy theorists saying someone else had their phones but who else would know to try 112 which is the common emergency number for EU countries? Im starting to think the girls were lured to Panama by some kind of human trafficking organization that might even be run out of the Netherlands. What Really Happened To Two Dutch Hikers Who Disappeared In Panama? Do they know more than we do? When browsing the images that were on Lisanne Froons phone, I also noticed that a lot of other websites cropped off the top of this particular photo of Kris Kremers. Probably something like peanut butter, which is a typical energy-dense low cost food carried by people who are traveling light. Fearing that these two strangers may bring the wrath of God upon him, he releases them into the jungle. They are free now. Hey Im not sure if someone already pointed it out but does everyone see the orange drawing on the bottom right? Because of thedark, the pairmight have usedthe camera flash as a light sourceor to scare away animals. Ive travelled through Central and South America quite a bit and these experiences cant be found elsewhere. News Group Newspapers Limited in England No. Gary, great work on noticing things in such detail. Thats from her palm. Thanks for the observation. ABC News had previously reached out to the U.S. Embassy in Panama for comment but did not receive a response. In India's Parvati Valley, dozens of male tourists have gone missing They took the dog with them on the walk and it came back the next morning but they didnt there had to have been some clues maybe like how far could the dog have gone and still find its way back home? More info here. why couldnt they just destroy the phone all together, break it beyond repair and leave it in the backpack. i found it hard to understand and pickup any of the highlighted objects.i grew up in a tropical country and spent a lot of my childhood exploring woods and secondary jungles around my home with my friendsthe way i see it is that the girl have encountered a thick unpenetrable undergrowth at the end of some sort of a gorge.maybe in an effort to find a way through or out of it.when youre at ground level in a jungle its just a green world and colour hues jumbled up in some sort of a mess.and after a while you started noticing odds shapes n colours through the leavesoccassinally there will be thrash thrown around.just my thoughts. Do mobile phones store the number entered? Whatever happened I believe was not from a man following them. Do u know if this particular spot was apart of the trail they went on? On March 14, 2014, students LisanneFroon and Kris Kremers traveled from the Netherlands to Panama, where they intended toassistlocal communities, volunteerwith children, learnSpanish, and relax a bit. Curious if people have found these specific locations and done some extensive testing and exploring in those and surrounding areas? This basically kills the idea of living in Panama on permanent tourist status. Also I have read that during the time they tried to contact emergency services one phone connected albeit briefly. During thistime,Kremers and Froon repeatedly called for help. Her hands are not tied. (From our perspective to the right of her directly in front of her feet about waist high). They lose their money and leave Panama with their lives. Two young women, who dont take any risks, go for a trip in the jungle and get lost in a mysterious way? The consumption of Ayahuasca as a religious experimental drug is becoming very common in different countries. Emergency. Totally agree. Therefore we cannot conclude that a dog was even with them. The first thing that strikes me as very odd in this photograph and I think I havent seen anyone pointing that out yet -, is a specific number. A search eventually turned up a severed foot and scattered remains, but authorities had trouble determininghow the hikershad died. Check out David Paulidess accounts of people who go missing every day in state parks. I believe the backpack was placed near the river in order to indicate where the remains would be found (like a flag), and perhaps the backpack was provided in hopes to receive the reward money, and the location of the backpack meant that searches would move to a different location (potentially because the police were too close to the suspects at the time). Shock and fear and protecting their family from pain was the goal. 9.3 million tourists visited Australia in 2019 (year ending June 2019). No dog. I think most of what people are seeing -other than the obvious, of course- is pareidolia. Easily done, I have done that myself several times. Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon were both adventurers. Maybe someone had her in there sitting on the rock, and she heard them coming back and got up quickly to turn around. We are dealing with history here. There are a lot of different indigenous tribes of Panama, most of which are peaceful. What Is the Bermuda Triangle, and Do Pilots Really Avoid It? - Travel I find it odd that the young American girl was murdered not long after this not far away as with the taxi driver who was found depended likely murdered. Theres a lot of information in the photos but people are willfully blind to it for some reason. Of course, there are always exceptions. Really sad story, whichever way you look. Dutch investigators attempted to recover the file but didnt manage to retrieve any data, which suggests that the camera was plugged into a computer and the file was deleted rather than deleted from the camera. It would also be useful to know if the metatarsal bones of Lisannes foot had showed any signs of healing.
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